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Why More Condos, Mr. Baldi? – The Sequel

05.14.08

By all accounts, Joe Baldi is a decent and affable guy.  After serving four years on the District 64 School Board and two years as a 5th Ward alderman, he chose not to run for re-election to Mayor Howard Frimark’s stripped-down City Council last year; and the 5th Ward seat was subsequently won by another former District 64 School Board member and Frimark supporter, Robert Ryan.

Mr. Baldi was then appointed by Frimark to the City’s Planning & Zoning Commission (the “P&Z”), where he has served in relative obscurity.  Until this past Monday, that is, when he submitted a comment to our article The Twilight Zone Of Park Ridge Zoning in which he made some statements about the expansion of R-5 multi-family residential zoning in Uptown that led us to give him star billing in Why More Condos, Mr. Baldi?

Fortunately for PublicWatchdog and its readers, Baldi has chosen to share even more comments in response to his eponymous article – and those comments provide a rare glimpse into what seems to be a relatively common mindset among local politicians and that, we believe, contributes greatly to making local government inefficient, wasteful, and unresponsive to the majority of our citizens – and vulnerable to being hijacked by the monied special-interests.

While what follows is a decidedly unvarnished deconstruction of each of Mr. Baldi’s statements about his vote on expanding the potential area for R-5 zoning in Upown, we nevertheless do wish to express our gratitude to him for being, to the best of our knowledge, the only P&Z commission member with guts enough to at least engage in something approaching a real public debate on the topic, in a forum free of the more stilted and restrictive P&Z meeting format.

So without further ado, what follows are passages from Mr. Baldi’s comment, along with PublicWatchdog’s responses:

Baldi: “My approach started with the premise, advanced by City Staff, that the change would conform the ordinance to it’s original intent and correct a misinterpretation.”
PW: Blaming “Staff” is a lame, politician’s version of “The devil made me do it.”  Your job on P&Z is, in large part, to make sure “Staff” is doing its job and telling the truth.  Ever heard of “Trust, but verify”?  You might want to start by challenging “Staff” to explain in sufficient detail “What ‘original intent’?” and “Whose ‘misinterpretation’?”  The bottom line is that this is not a simple “misinterpretation” but an attempt to expand the R-5 area.  And if you can’t see that, then you’re not doing your job. 

Baldi: “We were told repeatedly that you can’t define one zoning district by reference to another.”
PW: Told by whom?  “Staff”?  Even if that were true, you could have remedied it simply by re-naming the “B-4” zoning district as the “Core” of the Central Business District, or by defining/describing it by the street names or other measures of its boundaries.  It should not have been a major problem. 

Baldi: “Since there is no defined district that corresponds to the area zoned B-4 in the Central Business District, I voted to allow the R-5 zoning to be placed in the area defined as the Central Business District.”
PW: Which, of course, was the easiest and least responsible rubber-stamp thing to do.  Rolling over instead of fighting is always the easy way out, and it endears you to Mayor Howard “Let’s Make A Deal” Frimark and the developers, builders, lenders, appraisers and all the other real estate special interests for whom the short-term benefit to their wallets of high-density residential seems to mean more than preserving the character and feel of our community. 

Baldi: “I would revisit your review of the amount by which this expands the area where R-5 can be placed. There is no way it represents a 75% increase over the B-4 area.  Only the area surrounded by the dark line on your map is in the Central Business District, and most of that is already B-4.”
PW: As we understand that map (which we believe came from Judy Barclay of CURRB), the darker shaded areas reflect the portions of the Central Business District which are not B-4 but which would become R-5-ready if the City Council approves the recent P&Z recommendation.  While trying to aggregate a number of irregularly-shaped areas and compare them to another irregularly-shaped area is a major challenge for us, when we “checker-boarded” those new areas and matched them with the B-4 area we found that the darker areas cumulatively measured just a shade under 75% of the B-4 area. 

Baldi: “I listen to citizen input and consider it when voting. That will not always mean I do everything that is suggested by citizens.”
PW: We don’t expect you to do everything suggested by citizens, nor do we think you should.  But you should be able to explain your decision with something more substantive than that you relied on “Staff,” or that you are waiting for an actual controversy to occur before you address the policy decision of whether or not we need/want more R-5 multi-family residential properties in Uptown – or anywhere else in Park Ridge. 

Baldi: “This may not be comforting to you, but you do realize that the R-5 zoning does not exist anywhere other than the Executive Plaza area approved by the P&Z commission before I joined it.”
PW: You’re right: It isn’t.  And it’s irrelevant to this particular discussion, unless you’re trying to distance yourself from the EOP fiasco by noting that you had no role in it.  But now that you mention it, we don’t recall your attending those meetings and speaking against the EOP density or the variances that allowed the developer to exceed the zoning code by 8 units – and pocket another estimated $500-600,000 of profit in the process. 

Baldi: “In order for anyone to obtain the benefits of the R-5 designation, they will have to make a presentation to the P&Z Commission and the City Council, at which I trust citizens will again appear and hope to be heard.”
PW: From what we remember and have been able to research, P&Z’s record in those situations has been abysmal when measured by how often it has sided with the citizens.  Have you ever heard the term “shouting down a well”?  As shown by the recent City survey, “being heard” by our local officials was not given high marks by the survey respondents. 

Baldi: “At that point we can have a very legitimate debate on whether more condos are appropriate anywhere in the Central Business District or not.”
PW: That is exactly the WRONG time to have “a very legitimate debate” on this issue.  Instead of addressing it now – where it can be discussed more objectively and solely as a matter of “policy” – your idea of deferring such a debate until a time when policy can be influenced (if not outright steamrolled) by such irrelevant but nevertheless powerful considerations as the nature of the specific project, its specific features and uses (paging “senior housing”!), and the identity of the developer (paging Bruce Adreani!) is not only bad policy, it’s just plain dumb. 

Baldi: “I won’t prejudge that debate because I have to listen to both the applicant and the opponents of any proposal.”
PW: A debate between “the applicant and the opponents” of a particular proposal is what you’ll end up with regularity if you refuse to address this issue now as a matter of policy – before it turns into an ad hoc adversarial situation. 

Baldi: “I will tell you that the key for me will not be whether a developer can make money on a project or not. I find that to be irrelevant to the City. The key will be the impact on the City, traffic and the effect the development will have on the City after the developers have made their money and moved on.”
PW: Sounds like more subterfuge and obfuscation to us.  All of the various density/traffic scenarios related to R-5 multi-family residential can be identified and quantified now, based on recognized standards and models for residential density that are readily available and regularly relied on by the various “experts” who will show up on behalf of the various combatants when these situations turn adversarial because P&Z is foolishly putting off these policy decisions.

Baldi: “As far as I know, zoning ordinances exist for the City to make choices about how it will develop, without unduly burdening property owners in utilizing their land. If we do that, we have met our obligation and can restrict or deny development in places it does not fit.”
PW: Well, you got the first part right – which is why the time is now for discussing whether that portion of the Central Business District not currently zoned B-4 should be qualified for R-5 zoning.  Resolution of that issue now will give residents and developers alike more predictability as to what can and cannot be built throughout the Central Business District rather than engage in a crap-shoot over density objections every time a new project is proposed. 

Baldi: “In any event, keep up the good fight. I don’t expect to agree with everything you say, and I don’t expect you to agree with or like everything I do. Nevertheless the questions and positions you promote are necessary to insure a good debate on the issues that face the City.”
PW: Agreed.  And thanks again, Mr. Baldi, for helping provide our readers with a lesson in how local government can fail its citizens when its elected or appointed representatives blindly trust “Staff,” take the easy way out, and put off to tomorrow the tough decisions that should be made today.

15 comments so far

I’m surprised he’d want to carry on any dialogue with you when you write with such a disrespectful tone. It diminishes much credibility.

What exactly is disrespectful in the “tone”? What exactly is deserving of a more respectful “tone”?

I won’t stress your abilities by asking you anything about the substance of the discussion.

I will take the advice of some of my fellow citizens who are not quite as cynical as the PubDog and quit while I am behind. Hopefully you have honed your arguments sufficiently so that they will carry some weight with the City Council and Alderman Dave. You certainly seem to give him more credence and respect. Never mind that he did not attend the last two meetings of the P&Z Commission and he did not suggest in his letter to us that the R-5 designation be limited to the B-4 area. And never mind that the matter came up for a vote because I asked that it be separated from the other routine changes when originally presented. Have a nice day.

Namey:

So what you’re telling us is that you would disregard the warning of “Fire!” because of the “tone” of the shouter; or hold your ground in the face of a gruff “Get out of the way!” from a paramedic trying to get to a person in distress.

It’s just our opinion, but anybody who evaluates information based on its “tone” instead of its content deserves their resulting ignorance.

We like to think of PublicWatchdog as the “deep-end” of the pool when it comes to local issues-oriented debate. Anybody, including public officials like Mr. Baldi, are welcome to swim here but they have to accept the risk of being called to account for their comments. Otherwise, they can stay in the shallow end with the Herald-Advocate and Journal; or dip their toes in the baby pool of “The Spokesman.”

Unfair crack, Joe. I have studied the matter carefully and, as you damn well know, I was at the first meeting when this came up at which time I expressed my views in no uncertain terms, and I had Chairman Marr read my statement reiterating my views at the most recent meeting.

Darn it! Just when it was getting good!

Seems to me that blogs and bloggers specialize in cheap shots, usually by anonymous posters. If you look, you and I are the only ones who use something close to our real names in this thread.

We do need to stop, though. Somehow this thing has kept PubDog up nights. Both his posts about me were posted at 3:330 in the morning. He needs a new life if this is keeping him up nights.

By any chance Mr. Baldi, is your attempt to turn the conversation toward moniker-ed posters a way of avoiding an address of the challenges made to your comments? One can only guess as to who those un-named fellow citizens are dishing you their un-cynical advice to quit while you’re behind.

Better keep to the shallow end of the debate pool Mr. Baldi. You appear to lack the requisite water wings that might keep you alfoat.

Don’t worry about them. They are insomniacs. I do want to give you credit for moving to separate this issue from the others when it first came before the Commission. If it weren’t for your leadership and the wisdom of those on the Commission who followed your lead, it might have sailed through the Commission in its original form. That would have been bad, bad, bad. And you are right, I have not publicly suggested that we come up with an official definition of the Uptown Core District and limit B-5s to that area. I had thought of it, but I was going to bring it up when the matter hit the Council. Truthfully, what I really want to do is abolish the R-5 altogether, but I’m not sure I can convince three other aldermen to agree with me. It would be hard enough to get three of them to agree with me it is Wednesday today. I will definitely bring up your idea with the Council, and I will whole-heartedly give you credit for an excellent suggestion, one which addresses the supposed basis for the modification.

Instead of whining about how the PubDog is being mean to him, why can’t Baldi just reply to each of the PubDog criticisms of his comments? If PubDog has its info wrong, I want to know that.

Fred, believe me when I say I don’t care if the Pub Dog is “mean”, or whatever you want to call his comments. The bottom line right now is I voted and the matter has moved on to the council, where Ald Dave has to carry on with the discussion. I made my suggestion to him and he seems very willing to take the ball and run with it. So, Fred, instead of worrying about how I would respond to the comments above, call your alderman and ask him to join in Dave’s motion to limit the R-5 area.

Sayeth the Pontius Pilate of P&Z.

Like Sunshine, I thought the discussion was getting very good. I’m sorry it looks to have ended. I do appreciate Mr. Baldi entering into the public discussion here. I remember hearing or reading, Mr. Baldi, that you are a lawyer. I would have had even more appreciation if you had put your lawyering skills to work here and made your arguments for why you voted as you did. Though like I said, I do appreciate the discussion that has been had here, and I thank you.

Just to pick up on a comment from Alderman Dave somewhere earlier in this thread…I think there would be broad citizen support for abolishing any future R-5 zoning. The people who spoke at the P&Z meeting on the topic were all against it. What was wrong with the old limit of 24 units per acre? Of course, both the Uptown and Heinz properties already exceed the R-5 density limits, even though they aren’t zoned R-5. And if that can happen, why even have the R-5 limit in place? All it will do is encourage developers to ask for more. Which is exactly what they did at Executive Plaza. Even the most dense R-5 limit wasn’t enough for that location. Executive Plaza now has the dubious honor of being “grandfathered” (a good pun, given the pseudo-senior housing element) in as the only area outside the Central Business District to have the R-5 designation. People never really knew there even was such a thing until after it had been passed by the Council as part of the new ordinance, and so you wonder how it even came about, and whether it should have come about at all. I think that there was some sentiment that our zoning limits were antiquated or something…. turns out, Park Ridge likes some antiques, more moderate zoning limits being one of them.

Out of town and off the site for one day and I miss all the fun!

Like a couple of the other posters, I too am disappointed Mr. Baldi did not address the specific comments/questions raised by PW. Coming out to this site to talk without saying anything meaningful sure seems like a waste – although it did provoke some good posts, so that’s not all bad.

But I do want to take issue with Mr. Baldi’s comment that somehow he’s braver or more open than those of us who post anonymously, or with nomme de plumes. The difference between Mr. Baldi and Ald. Dave, on one hand, and us anonymice, are that Mr. Baldi and Ald. Dave chosen to make themselves public figures, while the rest of us have not.

If Mr.Baldi did his job half as well as it looks like Ald. Schmidt does his, Mr. Baldi wouldn’t have to worry about snarky comments on PW or elsewhere. And neither would Mayor Frimark and the rest of our public officials.

Too bad they can’t seem to figure that out. Or it it just too easy or too lucrative for them to want to try?



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